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This article from Front Sight, Press hits home with me, especially since I've argued this point ad nauseam with other gunnies

He confessed that he carries his concealed pistol (S&W M&P) with an empty chamber! He went on to say that he never chambers a round in his holstered handgun, because he has children, and it’s ‘just not safe to carry a loaded pistol near them.’ ‘Besides,’ he continued, ‘all I have to do is rack the slide. Then, I can shoot. Right?’

I asked him bluntly, ‘Who promised you that both your hands will be available when you need your pistol?’ He stammered and squirmed. ‘You may be pushing those children of yours behind cover while trying to draw your pistol at the same time. You might find a home-invader on top of you doing his best to stick a screwdriver into your eye. As you fend off the screwdriver with one hand and draw your pistol with the other, how will you persuade it to fire then? '

Many gunnies deride Glocks for their lack of an external (or as I say "yet another") safety. I don't have any statistics, so I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I'm betting the ratio of Glock ND/AD's to other handgun manufacturers is probably the same ration as Glocks to others. I think the "pull the trigger to disengage the safety" is all I need being that my pistol is holstered at all times. However, for the sake of this argument, let's assume my Glock's safety mechanism is on par with everything else - i.e. it works. We can get into a pissing match on its effectiveness later.

Now my pistol is always cocked and loaded which is Condition 0 / 1, depending on your definition of Glock safeties. It is always in its holster when not in actual use. Now, when I'm at home or out and wearing it, I am quite likely be around my children. Many times, it is required that I pick up one or both of my girls. I have such confidence in the level of safety of my Glock 29 that I have no issues with their legs kicking or little heinies resting on my firearm (the added bonus of the Glock is no external hammer for little tushies to knock loose).

None. No concern whatsoever.

I also don't have any concerns if said legs or heinies rest on my Leatherman, which contains quite a few sharp, pointy things. Both for the same reason. It is infeasible for legs or buttocks to contort to such a manner as to lift my firearm / Leatherman out of its holster and manipulate it such a manner that it becomes dangerous. Not impossible mind you, but rather at a probability so low as to make it near enough for government work.

Yes, there is a greater risk of discharge from a firearm with one in the pipe. Absolutely no logical doubt about that. There is as great of a risk or even possibly greater that not having your weapon ready will delay you when seconds count.

I personally have weighed that risk and until someone shows me otherwise (via well documented case studies of ND/AD's where the firearm was kept in Condition 0/1), I think my family and I are more safe with my firearm at the ready.

Of course, I'm open for discussion. Unlike the Brady Bunch or PSH Poster children like Robyn Ringler I'm willing to listen to differing opinions and am open minded enough to not outright reject them.

rolled out on Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:31 AM
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# re: One in the pipe - Ahab

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 11:37 AM

I...uh...carry a revolver.

So yeah, I'm right there with you. I don't worry about an ND/AD with my gun when it's in the holster.

# re: One in the pipe - thirdpower

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 11:41 AM

*insert obligatory reference to Kellerman/Hemenway here*

There, I've just taken care of the Anti's argument. Respond away.

# re: One in the pipe - SayUncle

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 11:52 AM


Glock ND/AD's to other handgun manufacturers is probably the same ration as Glocks to others


I disagree. A lot of cops carry glocks. Google up 'glock leg'.

Note: i carry a glock and love it but no safety makes up for the four rules.

# re: One in the pipe - Greg Morris

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 12:18 PM

I just like that my pistol, which is DA/SA, has an external safety. I know that pulling the trigger won't make it fire, say, if I have to reholster it in a hurry. I can flip my safety off as I'm drawing without my finger being anywhere near the trigger... the only problem I have is that I'd prefer an ambidextrous safety. A lot of people prefer DAO because the trigger pull is more consistent, but I've never had a problem keep on target at normal defense ranges.

# re: One in the pipe - Justin Buist

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 12:23 PM


Now my pistol is always cocked and loaded which is Condition 0 / 1, depending on your definition of Glock safeties.


I've always thought of it as being condition 1.5-ish. The hammer (well, striker) isn't fully cocked, but it isn't fully at rest either.

I disagree. A lot of cops carry glocks.
I agree.

# re: One in the pipe - Robb Allen

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 1:38 PM

Uncle, I've heard all about "Glock Leg", but that's not something a Glock is responsible for. Everybody loves external safeties but if you don't engage them and put your booger hook on the bang switch, bad things happen.

Since I've only carried Glocks, it's so ingrained in my head to carefully holster my firearm that I hope I never do have an unwanted discharge. I've heard enough stories of people thinking the safety was going to stop them from doing anything wrong yet forget to set it and... well, you know.

NOTHING - no safety of any complexity - should be a substitute for the 4 rules.

# re: One in the pipe - Jerry

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 1:49 PM

Robb, I agree with you. No guarantee you'll have two hands to draw an put into play. I like my Glock (Mdl 30) but it doesn't conceal that easily. I carry a PPK and consider 11lb trigger pull a good safety. If I have the time the option to pull back the hammer is also there.

# re: One in the pipe - GrumpyUnk

Rolled Out On: 9/20/2007 4:56 PM

I'm with Ahab. But I can see a 1911 in my future.

# re: One in the pipe - JD

Rolled Out On: 9/21/2007 7:38 AM

I am not a Glock fan, because I have kids learning to shoot. Most Glock accidents happen when people ar not experienced with using a holstered firearm, if you learn to keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot, no problem, but many put there finger on the trigger when they draw... It all come down to pratice and training. Retired SF.

# re: One in the pipe - Robb Allen

Rolled Out On: 9/21/2007 7:50 AM

JD, that might be why I have no problems with the Glock. My first firearm was my Dan Wesson Model 15, so the only safety is keeping your finger off the trigger. When I moved to a Glock, I already had a near lifetime of "training" telling me to keep my ear-wax-removal-tool off the boom button.

Even when I shoot anything else, I never engage the safety. You want to watch me fumble, give me a firearm with a manual safety on it and nearly 100% of the time I'll not realize it until I've tried pulling the trigger.

For my girls, their first experience with a firearm will be a .22lr rifle, then my Ruger .22 pistol. If the Ruger had any more safeties on it, it wouldn't shoot ever.

I think I'll leave the 10mm, 357 Magnum and the 7x62x54R for when they're a wee bit older.

# re: One in the pipe - Yuri Orlov

Rolled Out On: 9/21/2007 8:30 PM

My carry gun is a Kahr CW9. DAO and no safety. It's just like revolver except it's an autoloader. I carry it with one in the pipe and ready to go. What condition is that?

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