Rolled Out On: 5/3/2005 2:02 AM

SAAM, your fantasy of him falling off a 12 story building is VERY wrong! After all, it's rare, but I have heard of people surviving a fall from that height. Go for 40 story in future fantasies of this sort, please.

BTW, What is it about moonbats and small Hondas? I recently encountered (here in Arizona) a Moonbat Honda with Taxachusets plates, and some very anti-troop stickers. It was parked at the head of a hiking trail in a remote area, so being the neighborly sort that I am I thoght I'd treat the owner to a surprise long hike, courtesy of four flat tires in a remote area. Sadly, I never got the chance, as someone else had apparently had the same idea first.

Rolled Out On: 5/3/2005 10:09 AM

Freedom of speech is important and I support his right to display such garbage.

Some people will say this kind of speech shows how great the First Amendment is. I tend to think it's the price we pay for all the good stuff the First Amendment gives us. Likewise, I've never really thought that our soldiers put their lives on the line for weasels like this. They put their lives on the line for the good people they know and don't know and the great country they love, and weasels like this are just lucky they're in the same boat.

But it could be worse. You could be this moron who insists on advertising just what kind of a creep he is.

Rolled Out On: 5/3/2005 10:19 AM

With any luck, the aforementioned driver will be horribly disfigured in a one-car accident. I'm not saying I HOPE that will happen, but if it does.... eh...... (insert "whatever" shoulder shrug here)

Rolled Out On: 5/5/2005 2:07 AM

Lets just say if I saw this guy drowning I'd loke for an anchor to throw to him.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 8:27 AM

i'm not going to make any friends with this, but here goes.......

you guys, and the orignal poster, have completely missed the point of the offending stickers. i can understand that those words made you angry, but your anger is misdirected. re-read the two phrases slower. neither of them says anything about the troops themselves. both phrases are directed squarely at the civilian crowd of blindly patriotic folks that believe buying a magnet for your SUV makes you a better citizen than someone who is against the war. the yellow ribbons are SUPPOSED to represent a desire to end the war and bring the troops home, but most of the consumers of the "patriot pack" are die hard supporters of the act of war, as well as the troops themselves.

it's fairly likely that the individual is also anti-military, but his stickers DO NOT say that.

you can complain about liberals all you want, but this thread is exactly why folks on the left think that folks on the right aren't all that smart sometimes. your hostility towards the "moonbat" is so off the mark, that it makes your argument for being offended seem silly. it takes away from the passion that you are trying to express.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 10:02 AM

"but most of the consumers of the "patriot pack" are die hard supporters of the act of war, as well as the troops themselves. "

And it's phrases like that that make lefties so easy to dismiss.

We no more support actively going to war than we do randomly walking around hitting people with bats. But lefties can't discern the difference.

And if you think for a second that this idiot 'supports his troops, just not other people who support them' then I think the IQ problem isn't on my side.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 11:38 AM

"And it's phrases like that that make lefties so easy to dismiss."

i'll give you that one. sorry about that. i didn't mean to let my inner smart ass cloud my point.

"We no more support actively going to war than we do randomly walking around hitting people with bats. But lefties can't discern the difference."

by that, you seem to be telling me that you think lefties think that this war is a random act of agression. on the contrary, we don't think there is anything random about this. the location, the bad guy, nothing even close to random there. i think that the right actively and very outspokenly supported going to war because you thought it was justified. i also think that this person is showing their frustration with this war with a generalization that some of supporters of the war are doing it to be part of the group, rather than for truly patriotic reasons. i know that's a nuanced response, but my point of even posting here was to say that you are missing the nuance here.

"And if you think for a second that this idiot 'supports his troops, just not other people who support them' then I think the IQ problem isn't on my side."

you seemed to have missed my statement where i said that it's likely that he/she is anti-military also. my point was that his stickers are very precisely aimed at a particular segment of civilians, not military personel. the outrage in this thread is consistantly aimed at the idea that this driver had a sticker that said, "fuck the troops" so, even though your assumption about this person may be true, you are still assuming.

i'm not trying to change anyone's mind here. and i didn't really mean to insult, sorry. in fact, i'm probably making a leftie mistake by helping you aim your outrage better.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 12:24 PM

I'm calling bullshit. The asshole was anti-war and anti-troops and you know it. You don't put bumper stickers like that on your car because you're angry at civilians who support those who out themselves in harms way so you don't have to. Yes I'm making an assumption, but the data I have is enough to do so.

When you see someone engulfed in flames, I hope you assume they're in pain and need assistance and not that they're a Hollywood stunt man who got lost during the shoot.

And I did support and still support our actions. While not 100% thrilled with the way things have been handled, overall it was the least bloody conflict ever waged and the results, while still not much more than a scratch on the surface, are generally positive. Had Al Gore been in office, lefties would be harolding the great US Military as the great liberators who freed a people from a brutal tyrant while the Republicans would be crying foul!

And as a former troop, I support my comrades. I've got two friends who are home now after being hit with IED's and morters. I support them because they supported you, me, and some dickhead with stickers against them.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 12:57 PM

i guess you can think it's that simple of you want to. i have a brother that was fortunate enough to come home from iraq, but now he is going back. i'm very proud of him for getting his life together and for serving honorably, but i still don't think this war was right. you are implying that the two things are inseperable i don't have a ribbon on my car because i feel that the ribbon's true meaning has been hi-jacked. the reason i am trying to "clarify" is because i personally know people that fit in the category i've been trying to describe. they don't know much about the reasons for the invasion, the historical problems there, the regional context of iraq coming into existance, or any of the important stuff. they just feel that if they show up at church on sunday without a yellow ribbon magnet, they will be labeled as anti-war, which by some accounts, also equates anti-christian, anti-american. so they are donning the ribbons for the wrong reasons, to join the flag waiving club, to not be left out. the feel they are doing something patriotic, but they don't even know what. THAT is the crowd those two phrases are aimed at.

as for the burning man, i try not to make assumptions. the situation you presented dictates a need for help either way. so, i would have to make my choice right then.

as for the if al gore was pres, i don't believe we would've initiated this war with him as pres. he may very well have fouled up a completely different conflict in the same manner, but iraq wasn't in his sights during the campaign for 2000 like it was for W. so, since i don't think we would have created this mess to begin with, i can't speculate on how either side would react. nice deflection eh?

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 1:11 PM

just for the record, i'm not a true leftie. i'm not even sure that centrist fits. i lean left on social issues like gay marriage and such because religion doesn't factor into freedom IMO. i used to lean right, or libertarian, on financial stuff. but that was when fiscal conservative actually meant something. i'm not a very good libertarian because i always want the minority voice represented and i feel the complete hands off approach doesn't protect the weaker side from all out destruction. i try not to just repeat talking points from either side. i can't stand rush limbaugh, but i also dislike randi rhodes for the same reasons.

for a mostly liberal person, i think that i'm pretty good at looking at all sides, which isn't the case for purists on either side.

i'm not just trying to ruffle feathers either, i was hoping to expand the view a little. is it safe to assume that ward churchill is no one's hero here either? he's not my hero, but i think the things he had to say were tossed aside because of his approach, not because they didn't need to be said. the main point of his opinion was that we reap what we sew, not that everyone he doesn't like is a nazi.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 1:44 PM

because i personally know people that fit in the category i've been trying to describe. they don't know much about the reasons for the invasion, the historical problems there, the regional context of iraq coming into existance, or any of the important stuff

In which case you make assumptions based on less information than I had with the jackass and his bumperstickers.

And if you think for one second that most anti-war people know enough about Iraq to make the judgement of if the war was right or not, well then don't let me interrupt your fantasy.

The fact is the people who made the call to go to war (and it wasn't Bush sitting alone on the shitter thinking "Hmm... I should attack Iraq after I steal the presidency") are far more educated in the Middle East than an entire parking lot full of anti-war idiots. Or yellow ribbon wearers.

I myself don't have a ribbon either. I was a troop once, and my support has always been unwaivering. Even in Clinton's time (if you want to discuss improper use of the US military, let's start there). But I'm happy to see people care, even if it's a simple token. It makes us soldiers feel appreciated.

And tell your brother I said thanks.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 2:36 PM

"In which case you make assumptions based on less information than I had with the jackass and his bumperstickers."

no, i was saying that i KNOW people that fit into the category that those phrases describe. these folks have expressed these things to me. i didn't have to assume anything. they told me that they feel that way. as i said before, i was hoping to clarify.

"And if you think for one second that most anti-war people know enough about Iraq to make the judgement of if the war was right or not, well then don't let me interrupt your fantasy."

i don't think that, and i don't think that's what i said. i would say that folks from either side that go out of thier way to really inform themselves are the exception, not the norm.

"are far more educated in the Middle East than an entire parking lot full of anti-war idiots. Or yellow ribbon wearers."

we definetly agree on this point. and it takes some of the steam out of the hateful nature of the posts above.

"and it wasn't Bush sitting alone on the shitter thinking "Hmm... I should attack Iraq after I steal the presidency"

the reason i made that implication is because i watched an interview with W during the campaign and he stated outright that wanted to "get" sadaam. long before the election, long before 9/11, long before the invasion.

"But I'm happy to see people care, even if it's a simple token. It makes us soldiers feel appreciated"

that is something i've never heard a soldier say before. wow. and it actually supports my assertion that the ribbons have been hi-jacked from thier true meaning. during desert storm, when a lot of my friends went over, the ribbons didn't have sayings on them, and weren't for sale on QVC (my smart ass ref to "patriot pack"). they seem very trivialized to me this time around because of the divisive nature of the political part of this war. so, since the ribbons themselves have been so segmented into specific statements, i was trying to point out that this person was also being specific.

by the way, thank you too. i, and most of the people i know (even the most anti-war idiots), do NOT equate our resentment with the decision to resentment towards the individual troops. i think volunterring for the military is a very noble thing to do. i also think that some young folks join for the wrong reasons. i think that the decision to go to war this time was wrong, or at minimum pre-mature. that doen't mean i don't respect or support the person that has to carry out the decision. i would contend that our military does a fantastic job at doing what it does, engaging in war.

and thanks for not completely dismissing my comments. as i read through the posts, i was worried that this was just an echo chamber where my opinion would simply be insulted and blown off. i can handle bad words thrown at me, and i can carry my own if there is actual debate, but i hate when these things are only about the poop flinging, and not about any discussion.

Rolled Out On: 5/24/2005 2:45 PM

"In which case you make assumptions based on less information than I had with the jackass and his bumperstickers."

i just figured out how to do this part, so i'll do it like this from now on.

Rolled Out On: 5/25/2005 7:32 AM

after browsing the rest of your site last night, i see that this isn't really an intentionally open discussion board. i'm sorry i hi-jacked it and made it one for yesterday. i really like the entry about the student visitng you at the office since i am blogging on company time right now.

ironically, the reason i found this site is because i'm working on a road rage oriented bumber sticker site. i plan on leaving out the political stuff like the stickers that pissed everyone off here, but one of my ideas would be perfect for you after seeing your "prayer" for abu al zarquwie (however that's spelled):

"dear god, please smite the driver in front of me"

i generally don't hate people for thier opinions, opinions can be discussed and altered (or strengthened) through reason. i find that there many more substantial reasons to hate people. that's probably why im not a true 100% liberal.

Rolled Out On: 5/2/2005 12:39 PM

The fantasy isn't wrong. It's the perpetration that is...

Rolled Out On: 5/2/2005 4:11 PM

Dude, you have a gun...use it.

Rolled Out On: 5/2/2005 5:03 PM

Those ribbons were beyond despicable! DAMN! Probably just as well you held off, as those kinds of weenies are quick to provoke, but equally as quick, once they've registered a reaction, to scream 'come see the violence inherent in the sustem! help me, I'm being repressed!' And then sue you.