Huge Gun Rights , Freedom , Gun Control Civil Rights Victory in Federal Court Comments SiGraybeard says: on 2/11/2015 at 6:53 PM This doesn't seem like that big a deal - except for cutting a notch in GCA of '68. If you go into the next state but still have to go to an FFL, what have you really saved in convenience or cost? Shipping it back to your state via another FFL? Maybe I'm looking at it differently because it's a full 3 hour drive to get into the next state, so it's not that convenient.Just to clarify, does this mean a private sale between folks in different states could be done without an FFL? Robb Allen says: on 2/11/2015 at 7:51 PM SiGraybeard, if I'm reading this right, it pretty much kills the 'approved handgun roster' from some states and IANAL (not to be confused with I♥ANAL) private sales are also allowed. Alien says: on 2/12/2015 at 6:24 AM After reading the decision - full disclosure, IANAL - it appears to eliminate the "FFL ships from one state to a FFL in another" requirement. Yes, you have to purchase from an FFL but allows the individual to take possession at that FFL rather than have that FFL ship to an FFL in your state - assuming the instant check is passed and the purchaser is in compliance with the purchase and possession laws of both states. Incremental change, SiG - today FFL purchases in other states, tomorrow F2F non-FFL transactions. With some luck, our kids will have the opportunity to live in 1967. SiGraybeard says: on 2/12/2015 at 12:22 PM Thanks for the clarification. I was hoping for the F2F across state lines without FFLs on both ends, but that seems unlikely. Something that would be a massive game changer, and this ruling is almost there, is if you can fill out the forms online. That means you buy online from an "Amazon of guns" type e-tailer, like Buds or Impact or someone. There's nothing that can be done with filling in the forms in person that couldn't be done with electronic signatures and GnuPG. You fill out the form online, and the FedEx dude brings you your shiny new gun the next day. If your city has a waiting period, what's the difference between waiting 3 or 5 days for shipping and waiting those days with it on the shelf in the LGS? Alien says: on 2/12/2015 at 3:24 PM SiG - I think we're some distance from e-signatures, although pre-GCA '68 mail order was completely legal, and we didn't have the crime problems then we do now. I'd bet that F2F at an FFL will still be the order of the day for quite a while. There's no reason everything couldn't be done with electrons at a distance, except for the usual pearl clutchers and hand wringers. As for an "Amazon of Guns" we sorta have that now (in much smaller scale) with Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, Buds, CDNN, etc. etc. except that instead of your house being the destination it's your FFL and the 4473 is signed in person. J T Bolt says: on 2/13/2015 at 8:49 AM Out of state but F2F purchases are a HUGE plus to those of use living in the Gun Crow states on the coasts. It short circuits our registry scheme, and the little things like fired-case requirements, expensive chamber lock requirements, waiting periods, etc. Braden Lynch says: on 2/15/2015 at 3:44 PM I hope to see further discussion on the implications. If it does anything about backdoor attempts at registration and to end silly approved firearms rosters, it will be a huge victory (coming from a victim of California's gun laws). Comments have been closed on this topic.