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When an honestly mistaken man sees the truth, one of two things happens: (1) he will either cease to be mistaken, or (2) he will cease to be honest. For he will either accept the truth or he will reject it. If he accepts it, he is no longer mistaken; if he rejects it, he is no longer honest. It is as simple as that.

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This came up in #gunblogger_conspiracy during the discussion of the recent Gibson Guitar raid. Let’s look at the multi-level fail here.

Gibson was being raided over a law from another country - a raid indicates that any persons who resisted forfeited their lives and that the raiders could have slaughtered them and maintained legal protection.
Following the infinite reams of law in this country alone is hard enough, following laws in lands and languages not your own is even less of a possibility.
Gibson CEO is a donor to Republican causes, and their competitor, Martin, has a CEO who donates to Democrats. And uses the same wood. And remained raid-free. Regardless if the politics were of any consequence, this is a clear case of selective enforcement.

But what bothered me the most was that every single person who participated in the physical raid did so. They had enough people willing to kill other human beings over pieces of wood that a raid was possible. Not one of them went “You want me to put people’s lives in jeopardy because they purchased wood in a manner that even India doesn’t really enforce?”

Those people are a shame to society. Each and every one of them involved should be shunned from polite company. They can go congregate with the TSA agents and other dregs of society.

posted @ 8/29/2011 11:33:58 AM

Incoming Links

SayUncle » On the Gibson Guitar Raids on 8/31/2011 8:51:00 AM

One of These Things is Not Like the Other at A Geek With Guns on 8/31/2011 12:31:45 PM

She Can't Be Honestly Mistaken • Where Angels Fear To Tread on 9/1/2011 8:01:44 PM

Comments

Ted N(not the Nuge) says:

on 8/29/2011 11:52:03 AM

Not one of them went “You want me to put people’s lives in jeopardy because they purchased wood in a manner that even India doesn’t really enforce?”

I doubt their thought process got anywhere past, " We get to pull out the shiny cool toys and go raid some shit? Whoo hoo!"

Chris C. says:

on 8/29/2011 6:59:20 PM

I agree with Ted: I doubt whether more than one or two of them bothered to find out what the raid was actually for. It was enough that they had their orders.

Tommy says:

on 8/29/2011 7:42:25 PM

I always keep in mind 16U.S.C(legal squiggley thing)3370 "It is unlawful for any person... to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire or purchase any fish or wildlife or plant taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of any law, treaty, or regulation of the United States, or in violation of any Indian tribal or any state or any foreign law"

This basically means, if it's illegal to have something what as came out of the ground or walked upon it anywhere on earth, it's illegal to have here. This is one of those "Everyone's a Felon" laws that can pop up at any time, and that can be use against anyone in a court of law.

Usually if you annoy the arresting officer, prosecutor, or anyone in high legal power.

I was planning on watching the video below again today anyway, as I like to watch it at least twice a year, but you gave me a good reason for it today, so thanks! Titled "Don't Talk to Police". This is why the fifth ammendment was enacted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Cheers!

ATLien says:

on 8/29/2011 8:07:02 PM

Set up ambushes on these "agents" and then they'll think, "wait, you want me to risk my ass raiding a guitar company over wood? I don't think so."

SiGraybeard says:

on 8/29/2011 9:51:31 PM

Linked back from my place. I added this quote, which seems to go:

"Not long ago it was easy to tell who the bad guys were. They carried Kalashnikovs. Now it is much more complicated, but one thing is sure - any man who covers his face and packs a gun is a legitimate target for any decent citizen." - Jeff Cooper, 1993.

McThag says:

on 8/30/2011 9:43:47 AM

What I don't get is why everyone is shocked, SHOCKED! that our noble ivory tower law enforcement personnel will enforce these BS laws at gun point.

They's jus' followin' orders.

It's been like this for a very long time.

The time to start shooting was in the sixties. It's really too late to start now.

ATLien says:

on 8/30/2011 2:46:46 PM

It's not too late to get the satisfaction of shooting the bastards.

Sebastiano says:

on 8/31/2011 9:46:38 AM

The problem isn't that they're violating Indian law. The problem is they're violating American law, or at least that's what's alleged.

And we know Martin uses the same wood how? From the same illegal source? That the wood is from the same species of tree isn't the issue--the problem apparently arises from how the wood is sourced and finished (ie, has to be by Indian workers).

My guess is there's probably a bit more to the story that'll come to light.

Robb Allen says:

on 8/31/2011 10:16:45 AM

Several articles I've read have claimed that Martin used the same wood, I cannot say as to the finishing part - but that's a law in India, not here in the US. To say we're bound to laws in languages we cannot read, set by politicians we cannot elect is immoral.

Add into the fact that enforcement of a law always is done with the threat of death, and you still have people willing to kill other human beings over wood that may have not been sourced properly.

Sebastiano says:

on 8/31/2011 10:40:39 AM

US corporations do business around the world in places where English isn't spoken, and they do so in compliance with the laws of the country they're working in.

I can't see a problem with suggesting that the onus is on the Gibson folks to ASK the people whose country they're using to source wood what the local rules are. And given all the attention paid to the huge problem that is deforestation, I'm really thinking they're going to have a hard time using ignorance of the law as an excuse.

JohnOC says:

on 8/31/2011 12:50:53 PM

@Sebastiano: So if Gibson was raided for having this maybe possibly somehow illegal wood, why wasn't the importer they bought it from raided too?

augustarichard says:

on 8/31/2011 4:57:04 PM

Don't even look to the importer; but rather, let's ask why was the export approved by the government of India? They obviously did not have a problem with the shipment because they allowed it out of the country. American terrorist enforcing foreign law is really screwed up and as Robb said immoral. The American law stating that they must abide by India's law- what in the world???? India is at fault for letting this out of the country.

kirkosaurus says:

on 9/1/2011 2:21:32 PM

@Sebastiano: The wood Gibson is getting is not from illegal sources. They have all the documentation from the governments of India and Madagascar stating that the wood has been finished in those countries and abides by all their laws. The problem is the Justice departments interpretation of that law.
More info on that here:
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/ceo-outrage-0826-2011/

John Adams says:

on 9/1/2011 9:54:28 PM

Dear Sebastianno FedscumCriminal Apologist....you get paid well as a shill for your fellow fedscumcriminalNaziPoops????

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