Sean Caranna is the founder of Florida Open Carry. He’s got a television interview coming up where he is debating someone who is Pro-2A, but anti Open Carry.
One slight problem
A Tampa TV station wants to do a 4-minute point/counterpoint piece on open carry, but they are having a hard time finding someone who is pro 2A but anti open carry. All of the anti-2A people they have found have been nut balls! They called police agencies in the Tampa area but no one is anti open carry! I need to find someone to debate. Credentialed individuals such as NRA instructors would be best but anyone will do. The station wants to film by the 16th and air on the 18th. Know anyone?
A Tampa TV station wants to do a 4-minute point/counterpoint piece on open carry, but they are having a hard time finding someone who is pro 2A but anti open carry. All of the anti-2A people they have found have been nut balls! They called police agencies in the Tampa area but no one is anti open carry!
I need to find someone to debate. Credentialed individuals such as NRA instructors would be best but anyone will do.
The station wants to film by the 16th and air on the 18th.
Know anyone?
Emphasis mine.
Imagine that, even the cops aren’t against it.
Anyway, if you’re in my area and know of someone who’s against Open Carry, please let me know so I can get Sean in contact with them.
If a significant proportion of concealed carriers become open carriers, some small part of that benefit will be lost.
I fear that open carry might accidentally contribute to a coarsening of manners
What does open carry deliver to society that concealed carry doesn't?
Ultimately the communication is about intimidation.
If open carry passes, so be it. But I will think that open carriers are at least suspect of having very poor manners.
Also, once open carry is the law, it applies to everyone.
The first thing I would do were I a gang leader is find all my members who don't have a criminal record yet and get them some open carry permits. Then I'd station them at every street corner where I have a distribution point.
If it's a referendum, I vote no
Open Carry has 0 effect on conceal carry.
Can you point to a large dataset of people becoming rude because they're openly carrying firearms?
As people get used to seeing other citizens carrying firearms, they become less afraid of them.
That's projection. You might be doing it to intimidate, that doesn't mean others are.
Again, projection. I consider your assertion that all people who decide to do something you yourself would not do are doing so out of rudeness to be rude.
*sigh* What part of "choice" is confusing? If you want to open carry, OC. If you want to conceal, conceal. Nobody is saying we MUST ONLY OPEN CARRY.
Yeah, because a large majority of gang members have clean records and this would be a big issue (insert image of me rolling my eyes here).
Why? To vote no is to demand that others bend to your 'comfort' level.
The only reason to carry openly is in order to communicate something.
On the inoculation point.. Is it possible that while communicating that firearms aren't that scary, one could also be communicating that daily life is far more dangerous than it actually is?
Those queers should just stay in the closet too. And the blacks? Why can't they just sit at the back of the bus instead?
here's also a social component.. I fear that open carry might accidentally contribute to a coarsening of manners. I'm the kind of guy who will say something to a guy being a jerk in public. If that guy is obviously packing, I wouldn't.
What's up with the white v black dialog??! Is it supposed to be tongue-in-cheek?
Robb so are you saying inanimate objects have rights like blacks and queers? Who wudda thought!
Do we really want a law requiring retention holsters? Can anyone guarantee me that won't happen? Do not underestimate the deviousness and persistence of liberals.
Fending off people trying to touch my OC gun is a hassle I don't need.
I worry that OC may cause us to lose interest in defending CC, which from the point of view of social and individual safety is probably much more important.
What states require retention holsters that already allow Open Carry?
Then don't open carry out of a fear of something that doesn't appear to be an issue. Nobody touched the guns that were out in the open yesterday,
That's a straw-man argument.
Uh, no. I have several reasons why I don't want to flash a gun in people's faces.
And, using one day's experience to declare that no one will try to grab an OC gun is, um, naive.
Nope, but nice try. I'm saying that I have the right to bear arms, not that the arms themselves have the right to be carried.
It's a matter of public decency
No, a straw man argument is one where I build up a case on something you were not talking about
Do we really want a law requiring retention holsters?
How's that working for the Fudds?
OC will hamper our ability to be seen as reasonable people.
I wonder how that guy who got shot in the back by the cops at CostCo feels about his decision to open carry? Sure, the cops might (or might not) get punished. But dead is dead. And an avoidable situation is avoidable.
I said "How's that working for the Fudds?" Not "You are a Fudd". So you're coblogger was laughing at something that wasn't said.
Again, you do good work for the antis
You sound like the people who feared Heller. "Don't rock the boat! We'll lose our rights! You'll scare people! Don't do it!". Well, I'm going to fight for rights, not sit by and pretend that hiding my head in the sand is a sound strategy.
That's the anti-gunner's argument, why are you using it if you're pro-gun?
Feel free to sit on the sidelines
But your accusation was pretty clear.
Picking fights with, and insulting, your colleagues in the gun-rights movement is not productive for anyone.
No, it's not. I come from a 'mixed' marriage. It was 'public decency' that my parents not show affection in front of others.
The public decency argument finds a flavor in the hunting industry too. Nobody needs to hunt with a scary looking AR, it's indecent!.
I used to think that "gun store attitude" was the worst aspect of the 2A culture. OC zealotry has now taken the top spot. Congrats!
Do we want people openly carrying guns in public places when we have managed pretty well without for many years?
Poor analogy Robb, that was an issue of discrimination
However just looking at your own blog I see a story of how you terrified some old lady just carrying around a rifle. And you seem a rather ordinary, pasty looking, mostly harmless white guy.
Imagine what the reaction would be to a bunch of Arabs in full traditional towellheaded regalia marching out of their downtown mosque to the subway, or a pack of Black panthers slinking up to counterprotest a Tea Party event.
Your need to openly flaunt your own phallic symbol just isn't worth it.
I think we've finally diagnosed your problem - You take single instances against mounds of empirical data and draw conclusions.
As far as calling me rude, I have thick skin. You can call me anything you like, I'm not the one being a hypocrite and saying that being insulting is damaging to your argument while insulting you at the same time.
Is this whole "angry defiance" routine a deliberate tactic to convert Fudds? Or are you just too caught up in your own repressed anger and rebellion against the (zionist occupied?) guvmint to realize how unappealing your behavior is?
While all analogies eventually fail, the point I'm making stands. My parents were not told they couldn't have their relationship, but that they simply shouldn't show affection in public. Some things just don't need to be publicly displayed. Community standards, you know.
Read harder then. I ain't white (I was filming, and thus not the gentleman in question) and my AR is not a pistol.
See, I'm 100% behind Muslims being allowed to practice their religion and ride on the subway. I'm also 100% behind the Black Panthers counter-protesting anything they feel goes against their politics. There's no threat implied simply because a group of black people or Muslims are together.
Heck, a Black Panther can go to a polling place with a billy club strapped to his hip. So long as he doesn't stand in the way of others or grab for it to intimidate, there's no concern.
Dave - I don't debate anymore with people who equate guns to dicks. I've found their reasoning to be unsound and not worth the time to refute. Instead I just point and laugh at them and let others see them for what they are. Consider this me, pointing. At you.
But more importantly there was no equivalence drawn between guns and penises, just a tongue and cheek remark about your seeming attitude towards them.
As for the rest, you're still incorrect. For one, I never play the race card. The race card is "I'm of X race and therefore you owe me something / you are a racist / I don't have to argue with you because I'm protected / etc". Read through my history and you'll find I'm very, very, very much against using race as a stick to beat people up aside the head with.
I do not concern myself with other people's feelings primarily because I'm tired of being told I have to care about their feelings at the expense of mine. Sorry, when it's a two way street I'll learn to compromise.
It's not like thousands of people engage in it daily in my state (or yours, even). None of us know what the cultural climate or legal situation will be for OC in a few years.
I have to agree with Robb here. When anyone makes a comment that we must not upset people, it sounds EXACTLY like what we remember from the 60's. It isn't playing a card. That happened and it was as much BS then as it is now. He is simply pointing out how tired *that* argument is. And how did you go from a discussion about something that is legal to do to discussing things (public nudity, etc) that is not legal to do (even though in some places it is)? In an attempt to discuss what can be made illegal based on community standards?