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In other news, 3,699 to 13,999 Muslims serving in the U. S. military didn't go on a shooting spree yesterday.

It's not the religion. It's not the guns. It's the crazy. And no one group has a lock on crazy. Yeah, it'd be nice if you could single out the wicked and the dangerously loony with a simple survey. But it doesn't work that way and no amount of pointing-with-alarm will make it so.

This isn't to say that we do not face a threat from Muslim extremists, because we still do, but it's important to remember the latter part of that phrase – extremists.

I'm Christian, but you're not going to be finding me sitting outside of Abortions 'R Us with a Lapua .338 and a Molotov cocktail nor on the side of the road protesting at soldiers' funerals. I'm libertarian, but you're not going to find me on the side of the road waving Ron Paul signs dressed like Chewbacca.

For every group I can be identified with, there's a metric boatload of crazy people who share some of my views.

Now, the ass-munch who decided to take his little mini jihad out on our soldiers gave plenty of notice he was on the extremist, crazy side of the Allah camp. Just putting a tick in the Muslim checkbox doesn't mean diddly. Completely filling out the "Do you think Suicide Bombers rock? If yes, explain why" section does.

posted @ 11/6/2009 8:47:54 AM

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Wolfwood says:

on 11/6/2009 10:30:05 AM

Okay, so out of however many Muslims in the military, we've had at least the grenade-in-the-tent attack by Sgt. Hasan Akbar and yesterday's cowardice by Maj. Nidal Hasan. I don't remember any Eastern Orthodox soldiers taking similar action while in the Balkans. So far as I'm aware, despite however many Baptists, Methodists, and Catholics we have in our military, none have done such things.

Islam is a big part of this. That doesn't mean that all Muslims (e.g. Gen. John Abizaid) are murderous traitors, or even that very many are. It's still a problem that has to be recognized and addressed.

Southerners serving in the Union army were eyed with extra suspicion, and rightfully so. Police looking for a suspect known to be a Crip are almost certainly wasting their time investigating someone who isn't black. Heck, after all that's happened recently, I would be okay with anyone looking to hire me, knowing that I went to Virginia Tech, insisting that I get a psychological profile first.

W.Richards says:

on 11/6/2009 10:37:36 AM

You point out that there was notice that he was fraying around the edges. I wonder if any coworkers suspected as much but hesitated in coming forward for fear of being accused of being racist. It seems that the race card is played so often in todays society.

Robb Allen says:

on 11/6/2009 10:43:20 AM

Again, simply being Muslim isn't enough to warrant a thorough proctological exam. But at the same time, W. Richards has a good point that we've become so sensitive to being "Politically Correct" that it may have become lethal.

Removing the fear of speaking out against someone who happens to be Muslim would go a long way to helping weed out the extremists. Right now, they have a nice advantage that people are too scare to point them out. It's the same as how you're labeled a racist if you point out the percentage of black who commit crimes. You're not saying being black means someone is a criminal, you're simply pointing out the statistics.

Ben says:

on 11/6/2009 10:48:08 AM

Robb while you have a point my counterpoint would be that the Muslim religion has a greater percentage of their believers who are extremist and a lot of their leaders and believers encourage and promote extremism. The Christian religion has very few people at least in modern times who I would describe as extremist to the point Muslims Eric Rudolph being the only one that comes immediately to mind although there may be a couple more.Most Christian extremist are more of the Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist kook job variety loud and annoying but mostly harmless.
I personally believe that the majority of Muslims are extremist in their sympathies and beliefs even if they are not in their actions otherwise they would do more to stop their more extremist elements.

Nicki says:

on 11/6/2009 11:24:54 AM

What Woolfwood says is dead on. The Muslims seem to be one of the few religions that need very little provocation to go apeshit. I was deployed to the Balkans, and believe me when I tell you that Orthodox soldiers didn't frag their peers, and the Serbs had a LOT to complain about. Trust me. The Muslims are the only Soldiers I've seen who believe it's perfectly acceptable to rise up and kill to "protect" their religion. Simply being Muslim may not immediately warrant a "proctological exam," but it's enough to warrant extra scrutiny, especially in light of some of the shit this scumbag has said to other Soldiers and the arguments he had with some of them!

Robb Allen says:

on 11/6/2009 11:33:44 AM

I agree with extra scrutiny. And I see this as a little mini-jihad, not as just some guy who snapped. And I'm totally up for pointing out that this guy happen to be one of those Islamisists that we need to be targeting.

Just so we're all on the same page - I think that Muslim Extremism is more of a threat than say, Disenfranchised Presbyterians. By a rather large amount.

Nicki says:

on 11/6/2009 11:40:07 AM

Disenfranchised Presbyterians... sounds like a killer grunge band!

And this was an act of terrorism. Period. The islamist piece of dirt in question was screeching "Alahu Akbar" as he was mowing down his peers. He was methodical and not at all crazy, by all accounts. He's a terrorist, and he needs to be dealt with as such.

Hypnagogue says:

on 11/6/2009 12:10:35 PM

Trivia question: who was the first Muslim to teach -- and practice --violent jihad against non-believers as God's will?

Laughingdog says:

on 11/6/2009 12:49:29 PM

It may be different in the Marines. But in the Navy, it's not unusual to find people that do just barely enough to avoid disciplinary action because they quickly realized that the military isn't what they expected. They're stuck until their contract is up. But nothing really forces them, to actually work any harder than the minimum they can manage.

For officers in the Navy, and presumably the other branches as well, if you're passed over for promotion two times, you're done. Since the Army paid for this guy's medical training, they had to keep promoting him if they wanted to make him meet his time obligation. From what I've gotten from people I know that work at the Naval Hospital here in Portsmouth, there are a lot of military doctors that really don't want to have to do all the time they owe. So I would wager that a lot of this guy's superiors probably thought he was basically trying to pull a Cpl. Klinger to get out sooner, because that was far more likely than that they were signs of a pending breakdown.

The Packetman says:

on 11/6/2009 9:59:38 PM

Robb,

I agree with Roberta that there were lots of Muslims who didn't go off the deep end yesterday. However .....

Until I see Muslims (a lot of them) demonstrating at radial-thinking mosques, demanding that the extremism stop, I'm going to continue to brand Islam a religion of hate and conquest.

Roberta X says:

on 11/7/2009 9:44:08 AM

...And there we have the logic that lumps me in with the likes of Timothy McVey and that the Dems use to justify calling Tea Party protesters "hate-filled extremists."

Geez, do we have to be as addled as they are? Can't we just wait 'til somebody starts initiating force and then take the miserable S.O.B. down like we would a mad dog?

Robert says:

on 11/8/2009 8:26:53 AM

How about a simple question when they try to enlist?

Which is more important to you: your religion or your country? Reject anyone who answers religion.

Robb Allen says:

on 11/8/2009 9:36:04 AM

Robert, you just disqualified the entire Marine Corps.

God. Country. Corps.

Robert says:

on 11/8/2009 6:18:12 PM

Ha! Touché, Robb!

Robb Allen says:

on 11/8/2009 7:07:02 PM

;)

I'd also like to point out that while my religion comes first, it doesn't instruct me to kill nonbelievers. So there's something to be said about that.

M Gallo says:

on 11/11/2009 4:33:30 PM

Hypnagogue, that's a trick question: it was the religion's founder, of course!
Robb, your last comment finally hit the nail on the head: good Muslims are bad people, bad Muslims have the capacity to be good people. The construct is evil, and so are its followers. That doesn't make them extremists, that makes them devout. Luckily for us, the number of Muslims (who are actually apostates under the religion) who don't take all that crap seriously, greatly outnumber those who do.

straightarrow says:

on 11/14/2009 12:35:23 AM

sorry, I'm with Packetman. Until the majority of muslims decry the murderous actions taken in the name of their religion and until they clean their own house, I too believe all of Islam is my enemy and my country's enemy.

I seem to be giving them more respect than many. I have taken them at their word. How can any of you mealy-mouth about how many didn't do it, when none of them have condemned it? How can any of you mealy-mouth about how many didn't do it when you have to say you don't believe what they said their aims are?

This sounds contradictory, but I hold that my position shows more respect for muslims than does the position that must say "They don't really mean it." You have to assume they lied, but you think my taking them at their word is somehow disrespectful and engendered by hate. Get real.

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